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PostPosted: 11.10.2009, 19:51    Tiger Endler Hybrid Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi!
Here are some of my Tiger Endler males!
F1 Generation

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The parents are from Robert.

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Peter
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PostPosted: 11.10.2009, 21:53    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Possible some will show instead of tigerstripes, leopardspots.
Breeding tigers you should try to select males with 5 stripes (Tigrine-gen).
I wished i had same space for fish ( and climate) as Adrian.
Adrian has the space, but to less time to do all his projects.
Good we have wishes.

Best Wishes, Rob.

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PostPosted: 26.11.2009, 05:19    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Soon= New Year Thumbup I will have space and time ..
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PostPosted: 26.11.2009, 09:48    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Why not "Galaxy Endler" or " Medusa Endler"??

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PostPosted: 26.11.2009, 10:45    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

I think not so many people know what Galaxy means.
Calling them Tiger, everybody will expect stripes.

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PostPosted: 26.11.2009, 12:18    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

"Tiger" is the name of the bodybasecolor "bronce" in Asia.

Galaxy/Medusa hasn*t got usually stripes in its phenotype. But this fish have got the tigrinus-trait, too. So they are although striped!

Perhaps its better to call them "Tigrinus-Endler"(...with Galaxy/Medusa.)
To get no more ambiguity.

By the way snakeskin is with "Tigrinus" possible, too.

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PostPosted: 26.11.2009, 21:09    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

O.K. Why are they called tigers..=
A tiger is an animal recognized all over the world . Its base body color is
yellow with black stripes or markings..

Bronze is a trait where most scales are edged with black
pigmentation , melanophores .. Base body color can vary =
Most common color being gold and gray..

In Asia the word tiger in reference to guppies is used to describe the bronze trait.. Guppy can be any color and be called a tiger as long it carries trait.

This strain was developed in U.S. not Asia..
Strain base body color is yellow with black stripes or markings, same coloration as animal called tiger.. similar in appearance.

Ultimately strain is called by what ever name the developer likes ..

No debate here.. Plain and simple..

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PostPosted: 27.11.2009, 08:24    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi,

I would not argue, when I asked the question. I saw the topic and I imagined another endler-hybrid-type, some basecolored bronce. Then I was wondering and I just asked, to learn about the naming and perhaps about the background story of this hybrid.

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Ultimately strain is called by what ever name the developer likes ..


Of course. Smile

The galaxy/medusa trait was originally created by Y. Tsutsui and some other japanese guppy breeder in the 90s...and the tigrinus trait was described by Winge at 1927. Adrain has introduced this into the endlers gene pool nowadays, and calls this fish "tiger hybrid endler" in the style of Tiger (Panthera tigris) pattern and in distinction against "snakeskin hybrid endlers".
Thats the story I extracted from this discussion.

Thx!

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No debate here.. Plain and simple..


Why? We can just learn by discussing about the hybridisation results and our several points of opinion right?

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PostPosted: 27.11.2009, 17:01    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Absolutely correct Tobi..
Discussions are good, you learn lots when several people give their opinions= Different points of view.. (No debate ) I meant arguments ..


Another thing you mention is to differentiate from snake skin, Or cobra ..
There are too many snake and cobra hybrids which don't look like this
particular fish.. I have found in breeding too many strains , that I run out of
names to label each strain.. So I choose basic familiar names ..

Another example is my bumble bee hybrid.. I has the bars in rear peduncle
.. Developed from cobra hybrid cross... Not to use the name cobra, snake,
tigrinus, or other, I use bumble bee cause they resemble a bee..

In U.S. Guppy breeders recognize
Snake skin = having a vermicular or chain link pattern.
Cobra = having bars toward rear on peduncle..

We can't get too technical as many hobbyist are not aware of these terms..


I don't elaborate much or give many details.. I am not good at typing..
Sorry if ramble on and get of topic..

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PostPosted: 27.11.2009, 23:31    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

I wonder where the black head comes from in the tiger/galaxy hybrids, it almost looks like moscow sometimes...
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PostPosted: 28.11.2009, 03:32    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

It comes from wild endler stock= modifier genes .
Same active genes as fish in photo above..
This not related to moscow in any way..

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PostPosted: 29.11.2009, 02:12    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks Adrian. I guess the galaxy genes are involved too?
The fishes in your picture show a lot of black, very nice.

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PostPosted: 29.11.2009, 15:29    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi,

some Galaxy-Strains show very dark coloration at their "head and shoulders". Adrians picture above shows very very dark specimens of this type!

congratiolations to this nice strain adrian!

Here you can compare some metalhead-snakeskins:

http://guppyfocus.blogspot.com/2008/09/long-way-to-metal-lace-topswords.html


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PostPosted: 29.11.2009, 18:59    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Those are nice metal heads Tobi..
My strain does not carry metal head gene..
Metal head is different .. Compair ..

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